User talk:Eighty5cacao/misc/WMG dump/archive

An apology
Since I keep forgetting to work it into my edit summaries, I'll put it here: Sorry for using "IP" as an abbreviation for "intellectual property" in [//pineight.com/mw/index.php?title=User:Eighty5cacao/misc/WMG_dump&diff=prev&oldid=1739 this edit summary]. I thought about saying "Takashi Murakami franchise" or "property," but those choices sounded awkward. Eighty5cacao 18:12, 15 November 2010 (MST)

Mmm, what we say !!
Is "Jigga Jigga" by Scooter more of an AYBABTU reference than the "Whatcha say" in "Hide and Seek" by Imogen Heap (the Dear Sister song)? Really? --Tepples 06:50, 20 December 2010 (MST)
 * The music video for "Jigga Jigga!" uses footage of a Scooter concert in Japan, and the rest of it plays along with the Japanese theme. Does "Hide and Seek" similarly reference anything Japanese?
 * I stand corrected to the extent that I am probably misrepresenting Scooter's intentions, but then again this is Wild Mass Guessing... Eighty5cacao 10:36, 20 December 2010 (MST)
 * Answer to "Does "Hide and Seek" similarly reference anything Japanese?": No; all that can be seen in the music video is Imogen Heap herself. Nor do the lyrics mention anything related to Japan. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 08:26, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

The Time Machine (2002 film)
My web site has gone through several eras: Tripod era, Webjump era, Freeservers era (pineight.8m.com), EvilPigeon era (hosted by various companies that Josh Kearney worked for, after which I ended up on Go Daddy), and finally the current openpage2007 era. The branding changed from Wasted Collection to Cooper Black at the start of the EvilPigeon era. Incidentally, bits and pieces of the Freeservers era site are still up as of the last day of 2010, such as the mascot page.

The similarity of names is a coincidence. Colin appeared in TOD for PC (released in the fourth quarter of 2000), his face was behind the logo of the Freeservers era site, and his name was set around the time of Who's Cuter. --Tepples 15:10, 31 December 2010 (MST)
 * Ok, I have reverted the relevant part of my edit. I still don't see how this totally excludes the possibility of cryptomnesia (though the film writers are unlikely to have been familiar with your website). The pre-Freeservers versions don't show up in a Wayback Machine query for www.pineight.com; with what domain name should I have made my query?
 * Should I have raised this issue on some other talk page first, perhaps your user talk? Eighty5cacao 17:08, 2 January 2011 (MST) (last edit 17:29, 2 January 2011 (MST))
 * The domain pineight.com began with the Freeservers era. People have already dug up archived versions of the Freeservers version of the NES page and used them to call me a ROM pirate. There's even more old shame in pre-Freeservers versions, such as a version of the mascot page that got me a cease-and-desist from a representative of the owner of copyright in some cartoon characters. --Tepples 21:18, 2 January 2011 (MST)

It's that "Luka" chick
Some WOG to add to your hypothesis: Suzanne Vega on "Luka" --Tepples 05:43, 5 January 2011 (MST)
 * Ok, I will read over that. Could you remind me what WOG means? I admit I may have been misusing the term Wild Mass Guessing a bit, as I was starting to construct a fictional universe around the album rather than merely speculating on the motives behind its development. I had already read elsewhere about the stories beind "Luka" and "Tom's Diner," and I am aware that there is no real-world connection between the contents of the two songs.
 * BTW, I have some notes on another "'Luka' chick" here and here (not quite related, and it would belong better in Fictional characters that look alike). Eighty5cacao 19:10, 5 January 2011 (MST)
 * Word Of God is official comments that in some cases may debunk a fan explanation. But what you have there appears to be a sketch of a musical based on the songs of Suzanne Vega, and this alone might still have merit. It's just as WMG as a lot of the Grand Unifying Guesses that show up in and around that namespace on TV Tropes. I seem to remember some musical comedy that was written as a vehicle to plug a music publisher's unused songs. --Tepples 21:25, 5 January 2011 (MST)

Slashdot and Mathematica
According to Mathematica, Slashdot (/.) "applies a rule or list of rules in an attempt to transform..." nerd-related news into rather lengthy and often factually inaccurate or misquoted discussions that may deviate into the most unrelated of subjects; Mathematica also claims Slashdot aims to replace all other sources of nerdy news. Pedantry is one of the most frequently-used transformative rules; indirect self-reference is one much more infrequently used. --Btm pdx 16:42, 11 January 2011 (MST)
 * Ok, thanks. I will make a note of this on the page. Eighty5cacao 17:04, 11 January 2011 (MST)
 * On second thought: That is probably good material for Uncyclopedia, but I'm not sure whether it's really in the spirit of Wild Mass Guessing (which would probably involve hypothesizing a conspiracy theory that links Slashdot and Mathematica). Eighty5cacao 00:06, 12 January 2011 (MST)
 * I have copied your explanation to uncyc:User:Pentium5dot1/UN:REQ explanations/Slashdot and Mathematica. ( No incoming wikilinks from the uncyc:Uncyclopedia:Requested Articles page yet ) Eighty5cacao 14:19, 16 January 2011 (MST)

UMG court filing exposes the Copyrobeast
This PDF explains how Universal Music Group uses the Copyrobeast. --Tepples 10:12, 16 December 2011 (MST)
 * Ok, thanks for the good info; preparing response. (No, I haven't been compromised by a spambot.) Eighty5cacao 11:02, 16 December 2011 (MST)
 * I see two main points here: 1) The party with more money tends to get its way in the court system, as you have mentioned in [//web.archive.org/web/20071211130204/www.pineight.com/rant/dmca/ an archived rant], and 2) any automated content-identification system will have false positives, which could intrude upon fair use and/or de minimis uses. What if Content ID finds three strikes and bans an user before s/he has time to plead (fair use|authorized use|...)? The risk is especially great since YouTube bans often lead to a full suspension of the associated Google Account.
 * So what does all this have to do with Magibon? In the majority of Magibon's videos, there is nothing copyrightable (though future lawyers, and future versions of Content ID, might disagree whether Brain Age in this video satisfies de minimis). However, both the Content ID bot and the courts are growing ever more aggressive. Currently, Magibon is doing the only thing safe to do on YouTube: nothing. However, her interpretation of "nothing" may not be safe forever; if she gets banhammered (i.e. "defeated by the Copyrobeast") then we're really all doomed. Eighty5cacao 11:58, 18 December 2011 (MST) (last edit 10:04, 19 December 2011 (MST))
 * In other words: As far as is publicly known, Magibon's primary (steady) source of income is her YouTube Partnership rather than a real job. Thus a lot of people believe something is wrong with her psychologically. Some have called her an "immature child" &mdash; which she is not, since she is doing the only smart thing that can be done on YouTube (that is, nothing). If the Copyrobeast attacks Magibon, whoever wins... we lose, um, I mean it's a lose-lose situation. Eighty5cacao 00:26, 8 January 2012 (MST)

TV Tropes articles to write
None of these articles exists yet: VideoGame/Momoko120 ( or the related Creator/Jaleco ), VideoGame/TheOutfoxies, WebVideo/Magibon

Rod Land was the only article about a Jaleco game that I could see on a quick glance.

There appears to be no single trope (at least on ThisIndexIsOnFire) that accurately describes the premise of Momoko 120% (with respect to size and progression of the fires).

Note that all the musicians I listed in the "Music" section do appear to have existing articles.

Just dumping this bit of administrivia here. This isn't on the TODO page because I'm not willing (nor perhaps able) to write the articles myself at this time. Tepples, I'm not asking you to do it either, so please don't stress out. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 01:38, 5 September 2013 (UTC) (+ 19:15, 7 February 2014 (UTC))
 * So a month ago, I went and made the most basic creator page possible for Jaleco, stating the country, medium, and select work titles from Wikipedia. (While coming up with that work page, I had to keep from distracting myself with an imagined crossover between the Kart Fighter sequels and the second Rushing Beat.) Anyway, I just thought you might consider becoming a known troper so that you can put your more-developed WMGs somewhere where they'll get a wider audience of people looking for that sort of thing. Even if you "lack [...] time to devote to editing", you can still put thoughts into works' WMG pages and tropes' Playing With and analysis pages as they come to your head. Is it about the markup difference, or just the current lack of work pages for things like Momoko? --Tepples (talk) 19:32, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I am legitimately engaged in educational studies at this point. Aside from that, the only technical reason I refuse to get known is the lack of HTTPS on the site (it has nothing to do with the syntax difference). --Eighty5cacao (talk) 20:10, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * To elaborate on my other concerns: I want to avoid the drama that could result if my Aspie tendencies lead me to unintentionally violate some subtle policy of TV Tropes, as well as the general risk of drama in a community of that scope.
 * As for technical differences between MediaWiki and PmWiki, the only relevant issue is the way namespaces are handled, and in particular the user namespace: TV Tropes doesn't support user sandboxes outside the global "Sandbox" namespace, and it technically enforces a prohibition on the editing of other users' Tropers/ pages, which seems a bit heavy-handed. (I also wanted to mention something about the segregation of unneutral viewpoints into the DarthWiki and SugarWiki namespaces, but I don't remember what I had in mind specifically.)
 * As for publicizing these WMGs outside Pin Eight, I feel it would be better to go ahead and write a fanfic (and/or draw some fanart) if I were to do so, rather than mindlessly copying the synopses. However, I'm not sure whether I can invest that kind of time right now, partly as it would waste time I could spend on original ideas. Finally, I don't want to expose myself to too much copyright risk by overpopularizing these WMGs. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 00:02, 29 October 2013 (UTC) (+ 00:16, 29 October 2013 (UTC))
 * As for HTTPS, the official suggestion is to use a unique password for TV Tropes, as you may have done here prior to my move to WebFaction. As for drama, apart from porngate, I haven't seen quite as much "drama" on TV Tropes as Slashdotters without time to defend their edits have seen on Wikipedia. As for user subpages, if there's a policy page on the use of the Sandbox namespace, I haven't seen it. You could try starting the titles of your sandbox pages with your handle. As for copyright risk, if there were more then negligible risk of exceeding fair use on WMG pages, takedowns would have already happened. (Or have they?) And fanfic would run the same risk. But copying the synopses appears to be what the WMG namespace is made for.
 * In any case, I may have to narrow the scope slowly so that the casual reader hitting Recent Changes doesn't get the impression that Pin Eight is your personal wiki. I'm not sure what you meant by this edit summary, but it got so bad on Bulbapedia that they had to rate-limit editing in the User namespace. I'm sort of conflicted about this, given the connections between Umihara Kawase and no jumping and between your WMG about Umihara Kawase and selkies, but I think most of the Momoko and Vocaloid stuff would do better on TV Tropes. I've even started to lay the foundation for involving TV Tropes in developing my interpretation of the Who Moved My Cheese? verse by adding work pages for the books that I consider canon. (I'm about three-fifths of the way through this; see Literature/WhoMovedMyCheese.) --Tepples (talk) 01:32, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I gave up on some rewording attempts due to an edit conflict. Nothing I did would have substantively answered your criticism.
 * I'm sure we all know by now that HTTPS is not solely about password security. Please understand that I do not have a budget to run my own website nor to use a paid VPN service.
 * Regarding the admittedly-sloppy edit summary, the "interesting" pages within scope are mainly those related to TTM. The technical issue is line 6 of the script, which reads


 * Regarding the copyright issues, I meant to include some acknowledgment of the subtlety and/or complexity, but I omitted that out of brevity. I was implying that TV Tropes was more likely to be "noticed" than Pin Eight due to its popularity; I know this isn't entirely accurate.
 * Regarding the RC pollution, I will promptly start using Special:RecentChangesCleanup on all WMG not related to TTM nor your works. This includes the top-level page, regardless of the specific section edited.
 * Regarding the project scope issues, I am willing to CSD U1 the Vocaloid pages, as on further consideration I believe Uncyclopedia is at no immediate risk of shutting down (watch for me to formally request this by edits on the pages itself). If you want any other pages noindexed and/or courtesy-blanked, please say so, as I do not intend to do so voluntarily. If you wish to delete anything I did not request myself, please give me approximately 48 hours' advance notice to make backups.
 * Thank you for your help and understanding. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 01:47, 29 October 2013 (UTC) (+ 02:07, 29 October 2013 (UTC)) (+ 02:03, 30 October 2013 (UTC))
 * Recent Changes allows hiding a namespace. I wish MediaWiki supported setting this by default; if so, I'd just hide User and User talk. In any case, should you decide to move user subpages elsewhere, I'd be satisfied with soft redirecting them to their new locations. --Tepples (talk) 02:19, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Project scope: Arbitrary section break
My previous comment about RCC is no longer accurate due to my decision to split the WMG dump into active vs. archive. I temporarily hid one edit and then undid myself. (After the original post of this section, I hid a few more edits.)

The top-level WMG dump and the subpages listed there will not have edits RCC-hidden. The "archive" is not strictly an archive in that editing isn't forbidden, but any edits I make to it or its archived subtopics will be RCC-hidden. (Should I do so retroactively?) The top-level page intentionally does not link to the archive. I hope this makes everything clear. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 02:03, 30 October 2013 (UTC) (+ 02:15, 30 October 2013 (UTC))
 * Retroactive hiding isn't really necessary. If you do need a place to work on detailed WMGs, and you can bring other users who also want to work on WMGs but disagree with some policy of TV Tropes, I could open a separate WMG-focused wiki on this server. --Tepples (talk) 14:48, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I currently have no plans to substantially expand the archived topics nor add new ones, and I'd have trouble attracting other users at this stage, so I don't currently see a substantial need for another wiki. I can't rule out the possibility of such a thing ever being necessary, though.
 * I may sometimes exercise my judgment to hide userspace edits that aren't WMGs but are of questionable relevance to the project, such as on Computer maintenance to address elsewhere, as well as my user scripts and stylesheets. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 19:45, 1 November 2013 (UTC) (+ 22:16, 3 November 2013 (UTC))
 * This discussion predates the trope-migration project. If such a thing were to become necessary, would All The Tropes generally be a suitable outlet for long WMG writeups (not necessarily my own)? Or would it be worthwhile to create a new wiki on Orain? Eventually we should investigate which of these options is best for SEO, but right now I have concerns about the performance and reliability of Orain's server architecture. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 00:47, 5 December 2014 (UTC) (+ 23:24, 18 December 2014 (UTC))
 * The scope of WMG on ATT is something you can always ask on ATT Forums once you've registered. If you worry about Orain losing everything, I can probably add another periodic task to back up the latest version of specific ATT pages. --Tepples (talk) 22:23, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm now aware of your "Longer WMGs" forum thread and the affirmative reply from an administrator, but practical considerations dictate that I shouldn't waste much time getting involved with one more wiki at present. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 23:37, 31 December 2014 (UTC) (+ 01:49, 26 July 2016 (UTC))
 * All mentions of Orain above should be read as Miraheze. (I still haven't registered on AtT.) --Eighty5cacao (talk) 22:57, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Contrary to your specific example in the forum thread, I would prefer for sub-WMG pages to be named at the highest level of abstraction possible. In this case, I would place the full writeup at  or perhaps ..., with the parent WMG page containing a nutshell summary that links to the subpage. (These pages obviously don't exist yet.) This would allow other editors to describe different reasons for the simulation as desired. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 01:57, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

To change the topic back to Pin Eight itself: If we were to hide the user namespaces from RC, as you mentioned in your post directly above this section heading, would it be worthwhile to create a "Draft" namespace for my TTM material? Or does such trouble just argue against hiding namespaces? --Eighty5cacao (talk) 20:52, 20 December 2014 (UTC)