Talk:Songs that sound alike (video games)

Public domain
"Only cases of plausible cryptomnesia are listed here, not self-plagiarism, authorized tributes, or use of public-domain material."

But it'd still be a good idea to make a separate section for PD music used in games. For example, "Csikos Post" appeared in Yoshi's Cookie for NES, "Kalinka" appeared in Tetяis for NES, and "Dance of the Sugar-Plum Fairy" appeared in Tetris for NES. --Tepples 06:53, 28 August 2010 (MST)
 * I would prefer to locate that at a separate page title: User:Eighty5cacao/Public-domain music in video games. Eighty5cacao 11:05, 28 August 2010 (MST)

YT links that are not demos
If "a separate video for each song is not acceptable" as a demo, then where (if anywhere) do we put YouTube links that don't qualify as demos?

I can see how there might not be adequate fair-use justification for providing links to videos of individual songs, but average readers are not intimately familiar with video-game music. I see that you added a link to a .spc file; is that intended to set a precedent for links going in the First and Second boxes? Eighty5cacao 17:38, 3 October 2010 (MST) (originally 10:40 and 19:14, 30 September 2010 (MST) at Talk:Songs that sound alike)
 * I guess so. If a song is not familiar to the public, and you can't find a medley or mash-up, go ahead and link to the individual songs in the first and second columns. But eventually, we want a medley or mash-up here, and I plan to get Cortado installed (like on Wikipedia and Commons) so that we can upload .ogg demos and have them play on Firefox, Chrome, Opera, or any UA with a Java applet player. --Tepples 09:59, 4 October 2010 (MST)
 * Ogg upload is enabled, but I couldn't get OggHandler installed because I don't think Go Daddy would want me running FFmpeg on the cheapest shared hosting package it offers. Go ahead and make your mash-ups and post them here without fearing interference from YouTube's Content ID which is incapable of distinguishing fair use/fair dealing from infringement. --Tepples 21:15, 16 October 2010 (MST)

Regarding move
I didn't personally think this was quite ready for mainspace (and it took me a bit of willpower not to call this talk section "Move disputed"), although I admit that most of the sourcing issues I identified can't be resolved promptly. I have no intentions to revert this move, and I am sorry if I sound unappreciative, but in the future I would prefer to be consulted via talk pages before such a move is performed.

For that matter, could we move User:Eighty5cacao/misc/Manual of Style (songs that sound alike) to the same title without "misc" for now? (I will perform the move myself unless there are strong objections.) I'd need to write a couple more "How" rules before it's ready for projectspace. Eighty5cacao 11:55, 28 November 2010 (MST)

The legend of Jordan? Wario Jordan?
To me, "Jordan" sounds like one of the tracks from WarioWare Inc.: Mega Party Game$ for GameCube. Play intro boss stage or go to Single Player > Album > All (can't dig up YouTube for this at the moment). And in turn, this sounds a bit like "The legend of MAX" by ZZ (yet another Naoki alias) from DDR Extreme. --Tepples 14:15, 15 January 2011 (MST)
 * Ok, will think about it. Do you have any objections to my existing entry? BTW, I wrote a bit of an apology on Talk:Main Page - sorry for the digression. Eighty5cacao 14:22, 15 January 2011 (MST)
 * I can hear the resemblance to "Radical Faith". Perhaps it's just distorted by the fact that I had "Radical Faith" as the test song when I was developing Luminesweeper, and the G# F# at the end of the loop is where I connected it to "LoM". In short, the existing entry is fine, but you can expect more entries once I drag out my Wii to play WWMPG. --Tepples 14:28, 15 January 2011 (MST)

Example of authorized reuse
When I mentioned this in the intro, my original intent was to provide a specific example. What I had in mind was Strike Man's theme from MM10 being similar to Tornado Man's from MM9, but as you know, I had forgotten about MM9 exactly reusing music from 2.

The next example that came to my mind was "Legendary Wings" from Thunder Force V reusing "Back to the Fire" from Thunder Force III, but I know this might not be familiar enough to most readers.

Comments/suggestions? Should we create another article or subpage for authorized reuse? If so, how should we distinguish exact from approximate reuse? Eighty5cacao 23:02, 9 February 2011 (MST)
 * One authorized reuse is the loader theme from Comic Bakery for C=64 in Jurassic Park for NES. (Imagine published the C=64 version of Konami's Comic Bakery, and by the time JP came out, Imagine was part of Ocean.) If you can think of a bunch more, feel free to make a user page about them. --Tepples 07:46, 10 February 2011 (MST)

Just for the record: DXY!
This post is just to record some references, which probably wouldn't fit into the edit summary of a dummy edit.

The appearance of "DXY!" in Beatmania IIDX 4th style is noted in Zenius-I-vanisher's game database.

That IIDX 4th style predated DDR 5thMIX is mentioned on Wikipedia. Eighty5cacao 22:29, 14 March 2011 (MST)

Sonic 3 wording in lede needs rethinking
It's a bit misleading to say that Michael Jackson's team "composed the game's soundtrack" when in fact some of his work was deliberately scrubbed out. (See Wikipedia: Sonic the Hedgehog 3 &mdash; Michael Jackson's non-involvement.)

I chickened out before I could boldly remove the sentence, so I am posting a note here. Eighty5cacao 13:27, 10 October 2011 (MST)
 * Never mind; does [//pineight.com/mw/index.php?title=Songs_that_sound_alike_(video_games)&diff=4512&oldid=4327 this] address the issue? Eighty5cacao 14:36, 10 October 2011 (MST)

Maintenance note: Rygar
Both games in question are believed to have been composed by Michiharu Hasuya, as explained on GDRI. I would have put this in the Notes box myself, but I wasn't sure how to best write the footnote, or whether I should find a different page to cite.

BTW, could we set up a  interwiki prefix? One caveat: GDRI normally deletes redirects created by moves. In particular, the status of GDRI's  namespace is uncertain. Either it's intended only for 100% finished articles, or it's being deprecated entirely. You may notice that articles are sometimes moved from the  namespace to the main namespace, and the redirects are usually deleted. Since there's no way to predict when a particular article link will break, our MoS needs to tell people to link to. (This only applies to articles about companies, not other pages like Mega Drive/Genesis Sound Engine List.) Eighty5cacao 13:18, 26 November 2011 (MST) (last edit 10:26, 17 December 2011 (MST))

Yo! Noid/Masked Ninja Hanamaru, vs. Widget
This is most likely Coincedential, But I have recorded and compared the NSF tracks 8/9 of Now Production's Yo! Noid and Track 7 of Atlus's Widget, There is a little feeling that it almost literally copied from Yo! Noid.

Will need to make a Youtube Video of it once I got time! --Hamtaro126 06:41, 27 November 2011 (MST)

Protection
You semi-protected this page because of Anonymous Coward vandalism to a redirect. Did you mean to protect the redirect itself instead also? Eighty5cacao 17:41, 17 April 2012 (MST)
 * Uh...I knew you would catch me on this... I am not asking for unprotection of this talk page itself. Eighty5cacao 21:11, 17 April 2012 (MST)
 * Yeah, I didn't read Pin Eight:Protection carefully enough. I thought about reverting my last couple of edits to this section but decided it wasn't worth the bother. Eighty5cacao 08:07, 18 April 2012 (MST)

Mike Tyson's Intergalactic Power Punch vs Cheetahmen
Has anyone heard NSF Track 1 of Power Punch, most of the background notes sounds like it is from the Cheetahmen Theme. Just verifying! --Hamtaro126 00:49, 13 August 2012 (MST)

Jedi QuestMaster's demo collection
I am [//www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJi2Q5NgOHw aware of it]. Still TODO --Eighty5cacao (talk) 23:22, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Hammer Bros.
"Hammer Bros. theme is far less close" &mdash; how so? I didn't think it was bad enough to require a removal of the entry, with the only aggravating factor being a Copyrobeast attack on the demo I originally found. (I will keep looking for another.) Please use specific music-theory terms in your explanation when possible. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 17:18, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The contour of the melody in "Lady Madonna" matches that of "Fever": a rise to a third above tonic on the first beat, then a fall to tonic on the third beat, repeated with a period of four beats three times followed by something else for four beats. "Hammer Bros." and "Noodle and Doodle" do something different: rise to a third above tonic on first beat, then drop to a third below tonic on the fourth beat to rise back to tonic, and this is repeated with an eight-beat period. I'm curious: is this the start of an effort to replace the concept of a "demo" with blocks of text containing such a musical analysis? --Tepples (talk) 17:47, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm certainly not going to spearhead such an effort. But thanks for reminding me that I fell into the trap of thinking that the merit of a demo depends purely on the effort put into it. (For the record, another copy of the demo I had in mind is [//www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9Q2JO6Twp0 here].)
 * Would you object to my mentioning something about this "dispute" in a footnote on the article? --Eighty5cacao (talk) 17:53, 4 May 2013 (UTC) (+ 18:04, 30 July 2014 (UTC))
 * In other words, it's a weaker match. Such weaker matches may prove helpful to some, so for now, go ahead and mention it. --Tepples (talk) 19:03, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

More Sonic 3 notes
The Jetzons - Hard Times vs. Ice Cap Zone (Sonic Retro, mentioning [//www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2OWC5Hosv8 YouTube])

I don't believe this qualifies for the article, as Brad Buxer's involvement with both makes it potentially self-plagiarism. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 00:36, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
 * By that logic, we need to rethink what to do with the Rygar/J&H entry. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 06:33, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, we ought to find reliable sources for connections between Brad Buxer and Michael Jackson (mentioned in comments). --Eighty5cacao (talk) 06:23, 11 July 2014 (UTC) (maint. 04:46, 1 February 2016 (UTC))

Sloppy comment
"TODO: Should the parent page link to the main STSA page?"

To rephrase the part that [//pineight.com/mw/index.php?title=Songs_that_sound_alike_(video_games)&diff=11191&oldid=10825 you removed] from [//pineight.com/mw/index.php?title=Songs_that_sound_alike_(video_games)&diff=11192&oldid=11191 this comment]: Should Songs that sound alike contain a link to allthetropes:Suspiciously Similar Song (the top-level page, as opposed to one of its subpages)? If so, where? --Eighty5cacao (talk) 17:22, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * ...and I just noticed, coming here from a routine look through Special:WhatLinksHere/User:Eighty5cacao/sloppy, that I got the removed and retained parts mixed up in my head. (It's obvious that you removed the mention of linking to a specific subpage, because that's what you did.) Nothing to see here; move along. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 21:28, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Looking at this yet again, I realized the main source of confusion: Both "the parent page" and "main STSA page" would refer to Songs that sound alike on this wiki; the latter term was a misuse on my part. The comment in its final form should have read: "Should Songs that sound alike link to the top-level allthetropes:Suspiciously Similar Song page?" However, as the comment is no longer in this article, there is nothing to do here. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 18:42, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Chatting on IRC
A couple more suggestions from #nesdev: Any merit? --Tepples (talk) 20:03, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
 *  Yes - no opportunity necessary no experience needed vs. Banjo-Kazooie - freezeezy peak
 * Maurice Jarre - Main Theme from Lawrence of Arabia vs. Zool - Tropical Island
 * Deep Purple - April vs. Kondo - Dungeon from The Legend of Zelda 1
 * Acknowledged; actual evaluation to take place within a day or two --Eighty5cacao (talk) 23:10, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I am in general agreement on both, and I have no strong objections. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 06:01, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Mental disconnect
A note may be appreciated for this edit; I'm not quite sure after having a listen to "Trap Queen" whether you meant the original "Disconnected" or one of the versions with a subtitle. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 23:44, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I meant the original. So what you're saying is "Trap Queen" sounds like all the "Disconnected" versions. --Tepples (talk) 15:20, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, but what I meant to say was that your idea of a similarity differs enough from mine that I had trouble figuring out the specifics. And yes, I was referring to the "Notes" column of the table. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 17:01, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
 * It took me a while to realize that the similarity was mainly in the synth audible at the incipit of "Trap Queen"; I was thinking too hard about the vocal part of said song. In conclusion, I am not disputing the similarity anywhere on this wiki; I just didn't quite "get it" the first time around. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 19:53, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

More suggestions from adrian09_01

 * Journey - Faithfully vs. Mega Man 1 Elecman
 * yoshi's island's map theme vs. enya - anywhere
 * Every Little Step & Sonic 1's Spring Yard Zone (YouTube)
 * The Animals - House of the Rising Sun vs. Revenge of Meta Knight Ending (Kirby Super Star Ultra) (YouTube)

While I was working on composing a soundtrack for a game that adrian09_01 is programming, adrian09_01 also suggested a bunch of pairs, which I lacked time to evaluate because I was busy composing the soundtrack for him. --Tepples (talk) 20:12, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Support "Journey - Faithfully vs. Mega Man 1 Elecman" to the extent that I already listed it on my "investigation needed" page a while ago; no opinion on the others since I've also been busy. --Eighty5cacao (talk) 04:54, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

adrian09_01 suggested a bunch more: --Tepples (talk) 19:34, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * "Chicken Dance" :vs: "The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - Shop Theme"
 * "Stone Cold Crazy - Queen" :vs: "TMNT (NES) - Title Theme"
 * "My Michelle - Guns 'n Roses" :vs: "Megaman X3 (SNES) - Neon Tiger"
 * "Let's Not Talk About It - Friendship" :vs: "Super Mario Bros. (NES) - Underground Theme"
 * "Indiana Jones theme" :vs: "Hydlide Special (NES) - Overworld"
 * "Good Life - Inner City" :vs: "Streets of Rage 2 (GEN) - Go Straight"
 * "Johnny B. Goode - Chuck Berry" :vs: "Earthbound Beginnings (NES) - Hippie Battle"
 * "The Heat is On - Glenn Frey" :vs: "P.O.W (NES) - Boss Theme 2"
 * "Layla - Derek and the Dominos" :vs: "Streets of Rage (GEN) - Keep the Groovin"
 * "What's the Buzz (from Jesus Christ Superstar)" :vs: "Super Mario Bros. (NES) - Starman Theme"
 * "Easy Lover - Phil Collins" :vs: "Double Dragon 2 (NES) - Stage 2"
 * "The Final Countdown - Europe" :vs: "Mega Man X6 (PSX) - Infinity Mijinion"
 * "The Ballad of John and Yoko - The Beatles" :vs: "Donkey Kong (NES) - 25m"
 * "Jailbait - Motorhead" :vs: "Final Fantasy VII (PSX) - Still More Fighting"

Another:
 * Elio e le Storie Tese - Arrivederci vs. Super Mario Land 2 - Staff Roll --Tepples (talk) 21:12, 11 May 2019 (UTC)